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Entry  Thu Aug 10 16:11:57 2023, TD, NS, AR, Noise 20230810_162959.JPGIMG_2906.jpeg20230810_164219.JPG
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Message ID: 56     Entry time: Fri Aug 11 10:02:08 2023     In reply to: 52
Author: TD, NS, AR 
Subject: Noise 
Check RAL108 +/-15V PSU

Measured output voltages +15.21V -15.18V - OK

Observe output voltages with DSO ( ch #1 AC/1M +15V, ch #2 AC/1M -15V ) - see attachments 1 & 2

What we should observe is c. 1mV rms ( white ) noise but we clearly observe similar noise transients ( c. 60us period with HF structure ) to those observed at RAL108 
outputs. The RAL108 preamplifier units do have RC filters on the +/-15V - typically c. 100 Ohm and 4.7uF. Some additional, inline filtering with a lower rolloff 
frequency may be required.

> 
> Observe c. 2mV p to p noise with DSO ( Z_in = 50 Ohm ) c. 60us period with HF structure. DSO connected to junction box via 34-way IDC - 16x Lemo-00 adaptor.
> 
> Origin of noise upstream of 4x34-way to 8x16-way Junction Box. Not microphonics from Edwards RV5 Rotary Pump.
> No change observed with simple ground connections between NIM bin/+/-15V PSU/Junction Box and MSL type W1 preamplifier units/vacuum chamber/support assembly.
> 
> 
> Estimate of electronic noise
> 
> Pulser BNC PB-5
> 
> Amplitude 0.5V
> Attenuation x1
> Decay time 1ms
> Frequency 50Hz
> 
> Preamplifier RAL108
> Output impedance 100 Ohm
> Sensitivity 20mV/MeV ( into high Z load ), 6.7mV/MeV ( into 50 Ohm load ) 
> 
> Amplifier EG&G Ortec 571
> Input terminated by 50 Ohm
> Gain x1 (internal) x 1.0 (fine gain) x 50 (coarse gain ) = 50
> Shaping time 0.5us
> 
> MCA Amptek 8000D
> Input FSR 10V
> 12 bit ADC
> 
> 
> Nominal gain = 6.7mV/MeV x 50 = 335mV/MeV
> 
> 12 bit ADC input FSR = 10V / 0.335V/MeV = 29.85MeV FSR or 7.3keV/channel
> 
> 
> dE p+n junction strip # 4 ( of 0-15 )
> 
> pulser peak centroid = 799.8 ch
> pulser peak width = 7.8 ch FWHM = 57 keV FWHM
> 
> 
> E p+n junction strip # 4 ( of 0-15 )
> 
> pulser peak centroid = 864.8ch
> pulser peak width = 3.5 ch FWHM = 26 keV FWHM
> 
> 
> E n+n Ohmic strip # 4 ( of 0-15 )
> 
> pulser peak centroid = 913.0 ch
> pulser peak width = 5.3 ch FWHM = 39 keV FWHM
> 
> 
> Noise estimates are probably accurate to c. 10% level.
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