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Date |
Author |
Subject |
518
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Sun Jul 16 09:32:57 2023 |
TD | Firefox browser proxy setting change |
Firefox browser proxy setting changed to 'Auto-detect proxy settings for this network' ( Firefox -> Edit -> Settings -> Network Settings -> Settings ) |
517
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Wed Jan 18 13:40:33 2023 |
PJCS TD | MACB settings with either Emulator or VITAR |
When using the VETAR connected to the HDMI port of the root MACB the settings for all the MACB in the system 0x3.
This setting takes the Clock and Data line from the input HDMI and outputs it via teh HDMI output ports.
When using the Emulator connected via the SMA connectors on the back of the root MACB then the setting for the root MACB should be 0xD and all others should be 0x3.
Attached is the .jed file for programming the MACB and the .vhd source file to help with understanding of the settings. |
516
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Fri Dec 16 14:02:12 2022 |
NH | AIDA System off for christmas break |
The AIDA NIM crate, pis and workstation have been powered off for the Christmas break and will not be accessible |
515
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Thu Oct 6 16:51:49 2022 |
NH | Oscilloscope analysis |
Investigating AIDA noise with a TA041 differential probe and oscilloscope
AC Mains (DESPEC platform AC, L-N)
Probe attentuation = 1:100
Fig 1: Main AC waveform [X: 5ms/div, Y: 100 V/div]
Fig 2: Zoomed in at peak (20 V FSR, any less and the waveform clipped) [X: 10us/div, Y: 20V/div]
Fig 3: Longer time base and FFT of 0-5 MHz. No significant frequency harmonics noticed [X: 5ms/div, Y:20 V, FFT X: 500 kHz/div, Y: 10 dBm/div]
No significant noise or distortion present, fully within any AC specification.
Note that at the moment there is almost no load on AC
Equipment on on DESPEC rack: AIDA NIM, AIDA Raspberry Pis, bPlas PC (+ WR) + 2x DESPEC NIM crates
No autofill, VME crate or detectors
All big machines at GSI (SIS, FRS) off (suspect pumps are on)
Ion catcher not on (I think under repair)
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FEE PSU studies
Probe connected to 5V exposed power pin on FEE64 (+v) and to grounding crimp on FEE64 (-v)
No adapter board connected
Attentuation = 1:10
Fig 4: FFT when FEEs are *off* - essentially probe+scope noise [X: 5ms/div, Y: 100 mV/div, FFT: X: 500 kHz/div, Y: 10 dBm/div]
Fig 5: FFT when FEEs are *on* - notice 1.4 MHz peak in FFT, also seen on ADC waveform readout before (fig 6) [X: 5ms/div, Y: 100 mV/div, FFT: X: 500 kHz/div, Y: 10 dBm/div]
Fig 7: 500 ns/div 5V output on FEE, single FEE on the PSU [X: 500 ns/div, Y: 100 mV/div]
Note average max voltage is 5.31 V (power on) and ~ 70 mV "peak to peak" -might be from probe/scope?
Also see voltage changes with FEE power draw:
Power on : 5.45 V (different scale to above)
SETUP ran : 5.51 V
FADCs off : 5.86 V
ACQ Go: : Unchanged; ASIC threshold 0xa: Unchanged
Also check situation on a fully loaded PSU (8 fees connected and powered on)
Power on: 5.29 V (fig 8)
SETUP ran: 5.36 V (fig 9)
FADCs off: 5.64 V (fig 10)
All X: 500 ns/div, Y: 100 mV/div
Both cases observe voltage rises as current draw drops (as expected for voltage drop along a cable)
Noise on 'scope seems to get slightly worse with reduced current (and higher voltage)
No sign of strong 100 kHz noise as seen in ADC traces beforehand
Todo:
- Check -6V and 7V rails
- Check 5V and noise when front-end card is added and pulser/HV connected
- Check between two FEE64 grounds
- Check direct out of PSU vs ground to see if 1.4 MHz appears on PSU side or FEE64 side
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11.10.22 Updates
Attachement 11 - 5V PSU on upper PSU with no FEEs attached whatsoever. No 1.4 MHz (on FFT) but clear low frequency beats from switching - presumably low/no load behaviour
Attachement 12 - 5V PSU on aida12 with 8 FEEs on PSU. Longer time base to allow lower frequencies in FFT. 1.4 MHz switching spikes visible but nothing around 100 kHz region
Attachments 13-16: 5V PSU on aida12 at 20 mV/div vertical and 1, 0.5, 2, 5 us/div horizontal respectively
12.10.22 Updates
Attachment 17: -6V PSU on aida12 with 8 FEEs on PSU. 2 us/div timebase. 20 mV/div amplitude
Attachment 18: 10 ms timebase and FFT
Average voltage: -6.21 V
Attachment 19: 7V PSU on aida12 with 8 FEEs on PSU. 2 us/div timebase. 20 mV/div amplitude
Attachment 18: 10 ms timebase and FFT
Average voltage: 7.46V
Measurement between AIDA12 ground and Reference ground/copper bar
+ve (red probe) attached to copper bar at ground point (not strong connection at present)
-ve (black probe) attached to ground crimp on aida12 (connected to cooling plate)
aida12 no adapter board connected: connections are PSU, Ethernet, HDMI and TTY only
Attachment 21: 5 us/div 100 mv/div waveform, big oscillations present. Not seen before FEEs turned on (8 FEES, 1-7+12)
Attachment 22: 10 ms/div for FFT, sharp peak at exactly 100 kHz observed...
Attachment 23: Between 5V PSU (+ve) and 19" rack (-ve) with no FEEs connected to PSU
See strong 100 kHz oscillations too, note that voltage isn't 5V as PSU is floating w.r.t. ground
Looks to be common mode noise (on both 5V and Return of PSU)
Attachment 24: Same as 21 but using thick crocodile clips on probe to ground and aida12. Noise is attenuated but still present |
514
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Wed Sep 14 19:07:07 2022 |
PJCS | INFO : Three Merger Statistics explained |
There are three Merger statistics that can be used to better understand how the data flow through the Merger system is proceeding.
Two are from the Link task and one is from the Merger.They are all "No data buffers avaliable" with #1, #2, #3 at the end.
#1: This is incremented when the Link task has a data item to put in the queue for the Merge process but there is no room.
#2: This is incremented when the Link task has found no room in the queue for the Merge process ( #1 ) , waited , tried again and failed.
#3: This the other end of the queue. When the Merge task requests a data item from a Link task queue and there is nothing available.
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513
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Thu Sep 8 12:37:18 2022 |
NH | Proxy Port Changed |
The proxy in Firefox, Yum and AnyDesk has been changed as the old wasn't working
proxy.gsi.de port 3128 is now in use |
512
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Thu Sep 8 12:31:25 2022 |
NH | Retrying AIDA DataAcq v10 |
Startup AIDA with ribbon cable connected to aida03 and aida07 for noise
Setup and run with waveforms enabled. Discriminators ADC power etc as default
Try to push above 200k as this is where we saw issues before... lowering threshold to 0x3 pushes rates to
aida03 - 320k
aida07 - 254k
Startup merger and observe rates
aida03 - 224k
aida07 - 213k
Rate drop observed as before.
Now update aidacommon to point to AidaExecV10 and powercycle FEEs
Rates again with 0x3
aida03 - 315k
aida07 - 252k
Restart with data transfer ON
aida03 - 317k
aida07 - 262k
No errors in merger terminal or "Merge time errors" statistic
Will keep running |
511
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Tue Aug 30 13:48:32 2022 |
NH | AIDA Single Switch Configuration |
The second switch was moved back to CARME so AIDA has been configured back to using a single switch
aida02/aida04/aida06/aida08 updated back to first switch as per https://elog.ph.ed.ac.uk/DESPEC/433
Additionally a ribbon cable is attached to aida01 and aida05 to introduce some noise into the system |
510
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Tue Jul 5 08:53:20 2022 |
TD | To Do |
In no particular order
1) CAEN 83xx series NIM bin (Ortec 533A output noise issue)
observe +/- 6V, 12V, 24V lines with/without load
try new CAEN NIM bin and/or NIM bin of different type
2) Measure actual voltages at FEE64 power connector input
OH suggests fab of power adaptor for safe observation - contact EW
3) rev B adaptor PCB
invert 125 way ERNI - check for mech conflicts
paired HV input (avoid Lemo-00 T pieces)
consider isolating test/HV Lemo-00 shells from PCB ground (loop elimination)
straight jumpers
shrouded Samtec headers - consider mech issues/consequences of using eject clips too
re-visit HV filtering & separate trace ground
4) isolation transformer
as practical matter may be necessary to operate all platform from isolation transformer
consider hire of appropriate unit
need method to measure isolation - will require permit to work or equiv
5) investigate S4 area ac mains
NH discussing with GSI electricians
6) Systematic measurement of AIDA PSU noise
Spec linear AIDA FEE64 PSU
7) Redesign of snout
Return to 1mm welded box Al for lower stage of snout for added rigidity
8) Revisit calculation of cable lengths. Particularly for the triple
9)
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509
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Wed Jun 29 10:48:26 2022 |
NH, OH | AIDA Dismounted |
All detectors removed from single and triple AIDA snouts
Empty snouts *and* DSSDs (in boxes) stored in NH office |
508
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Tue Jun 28 10:11:35 2022 |
OH, NH | MIDAS Data Aq V10 |
11:11 Rebooted FEEs and changed aidacommon in /MIDAS/linux-ppc_4xx/startup to point to the new V10 DataAq that Patrick produced
When using V9 the Merger statistics reported WR items at twice the rate of ADC data items.
i.e for ever data item we were sending and info code 4 and info code 5 item sending 192 bits of data vs 64 for just the data word
This was causing significant deadtime when FEEs were running in the range of around 200kHz. These WR items were not reported by the MIDAS Acquisition server but were in the Merger statistics
Patrick has produced V10 which removes these.
When running V10 we can confirm in the Merger statistics that this rate is no longer determined by the ADC data rate and instead controlled via Sync Rollover Target in GSI WhiteRabbit Control.
WR items for 0xE - attachment 1
WR items for 0x7 - attachment 2
However we see in the NewMerger terminal the message shown in attachment 3 frequently.
Also we note that the merger time error counter is also going up.
Our thoughts for this are we have a rollover issue (Is the merger expecting the rollover of the LSB to be one value when the MSB is updated but MIDAS is happening on another?)
Are we having dead time issues which is causing time warps?
Does each buffer from the MIDAS Data Acq start with a full WR timestamp?
aidacommon has been changed back to point to V9 to not cause issues when we run the DAQ and forget we changed it to be this way? |
507
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Tue Jun 28 09:37:19 2022 |
NH | Tues 28 June 08:00- |
Experiment over
10:37 - Stop DAQ & Tape
S4 enters controlled access and they uncable bPlas
Will dismount AIDA snout after |
506
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Mon Jun 27 23:11:47 2022 |
TD | Tuesday 28 June 00:00-08:00 |
00:07 Zero stats & all histograms
ASIC settings 2021Apr29-13-16-00
slow comparator 0x64 -> 0xa
all waveform AD9252 ADCs disabled
all fast discs disabled
BNC PB-5 settings (to p+n FEE64s only)
amplitude 1.0V
attenuator x1
decay time 1ms
polarity +
frequency 22Hz
analysis of file S505/R5_896 - attachment 1
zero timewarps
deadtime all FEE64s << 1%
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 2 & 3
adc data item stats - attachment 4
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 5
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 6 & 7
00:15 Check ASIC control all FEE64s, all ASICs
02:03
analysis of file S505/R5_914 - attachment 8
zero timewarps
deadtime all FEE64s << 1%
per FEE64 1.8.H spectra - attachments 9 & 10
per p+n FEE64 1.8.L spectra - attachment 11
aida01 pulser peak width 94 ch FWHM
per FEE64 stat & rate spectra - attachments 12 & 13
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 14 & 15
adc data item stats - attachment 16
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 17
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 18
03:31 S505 PI Anabel declares experiment end - following periods of beam loss and FRS DAQ issues today
03:41
analysis of file S505/R5_926 - attachment 19
zero timewarps
deadtime all FEE64s << 1%
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 20 & 21
adc data item stats - attachment 22
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 23
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 24
07:00
analysis of file S505/R5_954 - attachment 25
zero timewarps
deadtime all FEE64s << 1%
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 26 & 27
adc data item stats - attachment 28
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 29
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 30 |
505
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Mon Jun 27 17:03:09 2022 |
MA | Monday 27th June 16:00-00:00 |
16:00 Took over the shift from OH no beam yet.
18:00 Still no beam yet.
Statistics, Temperature, Current are checked and attached 1-3
system wide checks same as last updated in the previoues shift.
22:00 The beam is back but not taking data yet! FRS team doing some checkings
Statistics, Temperature, Current are checked and attached 4-6
system wide checks same as last updated in the previoues shift.
23:30 beam is back and taking data |
504
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Mon Jun 27 06:45:22 2022 |
OH | Monday 27th June 08:00-16:00 |
07:45 Spoke to David and the beam has been gone since about 05:30
Reason for the loss of beam is a vacuum issue before the FRS
They are waiting for the experts
08:31 Statistics ok - attachment 1
Temperature ok - attachment 2
Bias and leakage currrents ok - attachment 3
ASIC clock check ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5cf : 146
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf2ba : 252
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x41 : 23
Currently on file R5_771
Analysis of file R5_770 (No beam) - attachment 4
Around 0.25% deadtime on AIDA02 rest even less
09:02 Current free HDD space 965 GB
Current tape server rate 4979 kB/s
Free space taking data rate at 5700 kB/s (Closer to beam value) 47 hours
11:41 Statistics ok - attachment 5
Temperatures ok - attachment 6
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 7
ASIC clock check ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5cf : 146
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf2ba : 252
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x41 : 23
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Note that there has been no change in the White Rabbit errors or FPGA faults since very early morning.
Could the rate of accrual in errors be proportional to the data rate. Faster data rate, errors occur more frequently? |
503
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Sun Jun 26 23:04:30 2022 |
Marc | new shift - Monday 27 June 0:00 to 8:00 |
0:00 Experiment continues to run smoothly. AIDA DAQ has been rather stable. Leakage current has gone up for the past two days in both DSSDs (combination of high-Z and high-intensity beam and external high temperature).
Stats & Temperatures (VIRTEX,PSU, ASICs) all ok.
At 0:30
Stats ok - Attachment 1
Temp ok - Attachement 2
HV-LC -Attachment 3
At 2:20
Stats ok - Attachment 4
Temp ok - Attachement 5
HV-LC -Attachment 6
Wide Checks:
Clock status test result: Passed 8, Failed 0
Understand status as follows
Status bit 3 : firmware PLL that creates clocks from external clock not locked
Status bit 2 : always logic '1'
Status bit 1 : LMK3200(2) PLL and clock distribution chip not locked to external clock
Status bit 0 : LMK3200(1) PLL and clock distribution chip not locked to external clock
If all these bits are not set then the operation of the firmware is unreliable
ADC Calibration (same as before):
FEE64 module aida01 failed
FEE64 module aida02 failed
FEE64 module aida03 failed
FEE64 module aida04 failed
FEE64 module aida05 failed
FEE64 module aida06 failed
FEE64 module aida07 failed
FEE64 module aida08 failed
Calibration test result: Passed 0, Failed 8
If any modules fail calibration , check the clock status and open the FADC Align and Control browser page to rerun calibration for that module
WR decoder status:
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5c9 : 140
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf2b2 : 244
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Understand the status reports as follows:-
Status bit 3 : White Rabbit decoder detected an error in the received data
Status bit 2 : Firmware registered WR error, no reload of Timestamp
Status bit 0 : White Rabbit decoder reports uncertain of Timestamp information from WR
FPGA timestamp check:
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x41 : 23
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
If any of these counts are reported as in error
The ASIC readout system has detected a timeslip.
That is the timestamp read from the time FIFO is not younger than the last
At 4:15:
Stats ok - Attachment 7
Temp ok - Attachement 8
HV-LC -Attachment 9
Wide Checks: No change
At 7:15: (no beam since ~6am -> background run)
Stats ok - Attachment 10
Temp ok - Attachement 11
HV-LC -Attachment 12
Wide Checks: No change |
502
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Sun Jun 26 08:51:20 2022 |
OH, NH | Sunday 26 June 08:00-24:00 |
09:51 Taken over from Tom following the night shift
Experiment is still running smoothly
Compression of the files is complete up to the start of R5.
Have started compression of files in R5 which should run up to R5_499
Currently on R5_528
Statistics ok - attachment 1
Temperatures ok - attachment 2
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 3
System wide checks:
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc594 : 87
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf271 : 179
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3b : 17
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Current merger rate is 2E6-4E6 events per second
Current tapeserver rate is 5800 kB/s
Free HDD space is 1.1 TB
At current rates will last 54 hours which should see out the experiment
Experiment currently scheduled to finish at 6am on Tuesday morning (May get until 8am)
Analysis of R5_528 - attachment 4
Deadtime of AIDA02 currently around 15%
11:56 Statistics ok - attachment 5
Temps ok - attachment 6
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 7
System wide checks:
Clocks all ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc59c : 95
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf27a : 188
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3b : 17
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Analysis of file R5_458 - attachment 8
Deadtime in AIDA02 only 11.5% in this file
TapeServer rate still 5.5 MB/s
14:36 Has been no beam for the last while or so.
With no beam AIDA02 has 0.25% deadtime so the deadtime is almost entirely due to the spill on time
Stats- attachment 9
Temp - attachment 10
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 11
System wide checks:
Clock ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc59d : 96
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf27c : 190
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3c : 18
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
13:30 Beam taken to change an ion source
14:57 Beam back
16:21 Statistics ok - attachment 12
Temperatures ok - attachment 13
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 14
System wide checks - ASIC clocks ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5a3 : 102
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf285 : 199
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3e : 20
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Currently on file R5_592
Analysis of R5_591 - Attachment 15
Deadtime of AIDA02 sitting at 17%
[NH taking over for OH so he can get home]
18:53 - FRS DAQ problems mean we weren't taking DESPEC data for the past hour or so... now all back
Statitics ok - attachement 16
Temps ok - attachement 17
Bias & leakage ok - attachement 18
System wide checks -
Clocks OK
ADC Calibration N/A
WR Decoder -
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5ac : 111
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf28c : 206
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
FPGA -
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3f : 21
PLL OK
Currently on file R5_621
Analysis of R5_620 - Attachement 19
aida02 deadtime only 5%, all others negligible
20:20 Stats ok - attachment 20
Temps ok - attachment 21
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 22
System wide checks:
Clock ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5ad : 112
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf293 : 213
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x3f : 21
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Analysis of R6_637 - attachment 23
22:13 Statistics ok - attachment 24
Temperatures ok - attachment 25
Bias and leakage currents ok - attachment 26
ASIC clock check ok
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0xc53d : 0xc5ba : 125
aida08 fault 0xf1be : 0xf2a2 : 228
White Rabbit error counter test result: Passed 6, Failed 2
Base Current Difference
aida07 fault 0x2a : 0x40 : 22
FPGA Timestamp error counter test result: Passed 7, Failed 1
Analysis of R5_658 - attachment 27 |
501
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Sat Jun 25 22:48:57 2022 |
TD | Sunday 26 June 00:00-08:00 |
23.43 Check ASIC control
Zero stats & all histograms
ASIC settings 2021Apr29-13-16-00
slow comparator 0x64 -> 0xa
all waveform AD9252 ADCs disabled
all fast discs disabled
BNC PB-5 settings (to p+n FEE64s only)
amplitude 1.0V
attenuator x1
decay time 1ms
polarity +
frequency 22Hz
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 1 & 2
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 3
adc data item stats - attachment 4
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 5
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 6
analysis of file S505/R5_415 - attachment 7
zero timewarps
max deadtime aida02 c. 17%, all other FEE64s < 1%
02:36
analysis of file S505/R5_449 - attachment 8
zero timewarps
max deadtime aida02 c. 15%, all other FEE64s < 1%
per FEE64 rate & stat spectra - attachments 9 & 10
per p+n FEE64 1.8.L spectra - attachment 11
aida01 pulser peak width 99 ch FWHM
per FEE64 1.8.H spectra - attachments 12 & 13
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 14 & 15
adc data item stats - attachment 16
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 17
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 18
05:38
analysis of file S505/R5_483 - attachment 19
zero timewarps
max deadtime aida02 c. 16%, all other FEE64s < 2%
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 20 & 21
adc data item stats - attachment 22
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 23
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 24
07:27
analysis of file S505/R5_502 - attachment 25
zero timewarps
max deadtime aida02 c. 16%, all other FEE64s < 2%
All system wide checks OK *except* WR & FPGA errors - attachments 26 & 27
adc data item stats - attachment 28
FEE64 temps OK - attachment 29
DSSSD bias & leakage currents OK - attachment 30 |
500
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Sat Jun 25 17:06:42 2022 |
BA, AA | Saturday 25 June 2022 16:00-00:00 |
Took over the night shift from Magda
18:00 : attachments 1-3
20:00 : attachments 4-6
22:00 : attachments 7-9
00:00 : attachments 10-12
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499
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Sat Jun 25 06:55:07 2022 |
MS | Saturday 25 June 2022 8:00-16:00 |
Took over the night shift from Tom.
7:00 The beam is back.
8:00 : attachments 1-3
10:00 : attachments 4-6
12:00 : attachments 7-9
14:00 : attachments 10-12
16:00 : attachments 13-15
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